Things to Think About After Rotation.

by Pikkdogs ~ June 29th, 2010.

Hello to all members of Omar-Nation. Pikkdogs here, back with a little different article.  This one is all about switching our decks to the new modified format that starts in September.

Before we get into that, I’d like to say a little about Nats, which was held this weekend.  I wasn’t able to make it there, but I heard it was a great weekend.  A sablelock deck won, and luxchomp decks had a great showing.  So it looks like disruption decks are huge late in the season, but will it continue into the next season?

That is what this article is about.  Some players (Sp players) will be able to take 1 or 2 cards out of their deck and replace them with similar cards to make them modified legal.  But other people will have to totally remake their decks.

So what exactly will be popular after rotation?  Well no one knows exactly but here are a couple of decks we know will see lots of action.

1.  Sp Decks– As mentioned we know SP decks won’t lose much, so if their good now, they will be good later.

2. Donkphan Decks- Donkphan decks aren’t losing much either.  They already use Uxie instead of Claydol and are very fast.

3.  Charizard Decks- I haven’t heard of anyone playing this deck at this years Nationals, but it has done pretty well at some Battle Roads.  It is a fast deck that doesn’t rely on Claydol, hence it isn’t losing very much.  It can hit for a lot of damage early, doesn’t rely on a lot of trainers, and doesn’t have a x2 weakness.

All of those three decks have two things in common, they aren’t losing anything and the strategy of those decks will remain the same.  But what new decks will see play?  And what new strategies will we see?  I’m not sure but here are a couple of things to think of.

Think of New Draw Engines

Of course we are losing Claydol GE, so most decks will look for other draw engines.  The most obvious which is Uxie.  Some people will try to replace Claydol with two Uxies and 4 Super Scoop Ups.  While others will try fire or colorless decks and play Ninetails HGSS.  But there are other options out there to be explored.

The Other Side of Claydol’s Exit.

When the rotation was announced everyone knew that Claydol leaving the format means that decks will get a little slower.  But Claydol’s exit also changes strategy up a little.  Since Claydol is gone Garchomp C cannot snipe him, Blaziken FB cannot burn him, and Luxray Gl cannot “Bright Look” him.  That means decks like Sablelock will have to change their play a little.  This fact makes me think that Power Sprays will be more important (to stop Uxie) and Garchomp C will be less important (though only slightly).  So we might be seeing decks play more Power Sprays and less sniping.

What up G?

Unown g is also leaving the format.  Even though he is not half as popular now as he once was, Unown g’s rotation will effect the game.  Machamp SF, Crobat Prime, and Gengar SF will probably see more play, so be on the look out for those decks.

Get your Supporters Straight

One card that we are losing that will effect almost every deck is Roseanne’s Research.  This was a great card that not only let us set up our Pokemon, but gave us energy.  Now that we no longer have this card we need to change our supporter structure.  Of course Pokemon Collector will become a staple in every deck, but how does one get enough energy?  Interviewer’s Question is a card that could get more play.  Or maybe players will tend to use more drawing supporters like Copy Cat and Profesor Oak’s New Theory.  Or maybe people will just run 1 or 2 more energies.

Look towards the future

A lot of the cards that will dominate next years format have not been released yet.  So look at the new cards as they come out and judge if any of them are worthy enough to be in your deck.  Some of the most anticipated cards are Vileplume (which creates a trainer lock), Magnezone Prime (which is a Claydol like draw-engine), and the stadium card called “Lost World” (which adds a new way to win a game).  Take a really hard look at those cards that were in the Japanese “Lost Link” set.  They won’t be crossing the ocean until later in the fall, but when they do arrive here they will change the game.

Those are my thoughts on the rotation, I would love to hear your thoughts on it.

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  • Ed

    Here are some decks that I've discussed on the site in the past and the main cards they lose.

    Gyarados loses Felicity's drawing. That is absolutely huge. The other things like Night Maintenance can be easily substituted, but there is no current good substitute for Felicity. You really need to rely on Regice's RegiMove power, now. You can try something like Volkner's Philosophy, but it's nowhere near as good.

    Shuppet loses Night Maintenance which is its main way to circulate Unown R and get back important Pokemon like Mr. Mime. Speaking of Mr. Mime and his Airy Wall, it's OUTTA HERE. The deck has to be retooled for that loss. Some might try Spiritomb as way to slow down the opponent, but it will slow Shuppet down, also. Another large loss is Roseanne's Research. It was important, because Shuppet runs so little energy. Now, you have to come up with a new way to retrieve that single important energy.

    Scizor/Cherrim, which is the deck my daughter has been using, doesn't lose much. Her version used the Unown R plus Night Maintenance recursion draw engine, but that isn't integral to the deck's functionality. It could keep the R and use Palmer's Contribution, or it could drop the R and opt for some other tech like Spiritomb to impede the opponent while evolving benched Scyther and Cherubi. This deck also runs a small amount of energy and Roseanne really helped it. The latest build I had ran only 6 energy, but it could just run more. It needs to get 2 energy to really function, but Cherrim can attack without energy if you need to stall for a bit.

  • pikkdogs

    Im really tempted to make another scizor-cherrim deck with DCE and luxray gl x. I know that luxray will take away from pound down, but if you can accelerate early on with a lot of cherrims, and luxray will let you pick what you can attack, it will be unstoppable.

    You can always poketurn luxray anyway. Just build up lots of cherrims and then accelerate for the kill and no one can touch ya.

  • nardd

    Starters may play a big role in non-SP decks. We've already seen sableye and spiritomb, but we have a bunch of underrated dedicated starter pokemon (jirachi, chatot, dunsparce, etc) that can get you on the right track and hopefully give you enough time to get set up against other decks.

    Disruption will have an even bigger effect IMO. Unless you run a big supporter engine, judge can really give you trouble if you draw 4 worthless cards. Power spray + judge (sablock) is even worse, since a sprayed uxie after a judge can just win the game, especially in the early turns.

    Uxie will do well with its lvX, and if you're behind a spiritomb that's even better, meaning no sprays coming your way. I personally prefer starter+cynthia's+PONT for non-SP, since it's immune to power spray, gives you a wall to hind behind and get set up with, and can come back from disruption cards like initiative, judge, giratina, etc.

  • Ed

    I think you're right about the starters. Many decks will switch to the mentality we've seen in decks like Gyarados and Tyranitar (to name a couple popular decks starting Sableye and Spiritomb).

    It's interesting that SP seems to get all the breaks. The Cyrus engine actually becomes more important with the loss of Roseanne, since it's now the top way to search energy. Power Spray gets more important now that the main reusable draw PokePower is leaving. Top things like that off with the fact that SP loses hardly anything in the rotation, and it seems that the simple choice is to just play SP.

    Of course, it's not that simple, but many people will choose that route at least in the near future. It seems like you will either have to play SP or include some anti-SP measures in your deck.

  • Ed

    I've thought about this, but I think it's very difficult to pull off consistently. Reversal gives a similar ability without being a PokePower. However, if you play the Luxray properly, you can Bright Look/Retreat/Accelerate or BLook/PokeTurn/BenchLux/PoundDown.

    If you shift the focus of the deck away from Pound Down and more to Accelerate, then you can work it out. The problem is that you probably end up with a deck that looks like LuxPluff or LuxChomp except that it uses Scizor. You lose the simple elegance of the Scizor/Cherrim, but maybe it can be worthwhile.

  • nardd

    Yeah, you're right on that one. That's half the reason why spiritomb looks so appealing to me ATM. Stops some of SP's momentum, as well as gives you a spray screen for your uxies and other essential powers. AND helps evolve your pokes.

    Something to look into is adding cyrus into a non-sp or sp hybrid deck. That plus collector (you can run some poketurn/crobat g to make full use of the conspiracy) seem pretty solid, and should let you get away with running a couple less energy in the deck. You can also play some 1-of supporters that you normally wouldn't, or just take advantage of being able to grab that palmers the turn before you need it.

    I remember seeing a funny thread on the gym about choosing “team SP” or “team anti-SP.” Seems kinda true right now :/

  • pikkdogs

    I could really see Cyrus's coming into a lot more play, especially into decks that run Crobat Gs.

  • pikkdogs

    I like how you put it, “you lose the simple elegance of the Scizor/Cherrim.”

    Your right of course, but as long as it works who cares about elegance?

    Yeah the deck i saw talking about would center around accelerate and it would seem more like a jumpluff deck. But you know as well as anyone that if it can work it would be devastating. Use accelerate and luxray to kill their started and 2 uxies and then poketurn luxray gl and any crobats you may or may not use, and then pyshic restore the uxies you also may or may not have used and then finish everyone off with poundown.

    It may be just a little too much to work, but like I said before if it works it would be very hard to stop.

  • Ed

    Well, the “simple elegance” was the reason I built the deck in the first place. I needed that for my daughter. I'm not saying that the deck can't be made into something else/more, but that version may fall out of favor with my daughter and I. :)

    Accelerate can be quite nice, but it takes a lot to get KOs with it. Having the choice to do either Accel or PDown is where it shines. The problem is that the more you focus on Accelerate (with DCE, Luxray, etc.) the less you'll have put in for that devastating Pound Down.

    To really Accelerate, you need Expert Belt, Plus Power, Cherrim, Buck's Training, etc. Most KO's will need around 70-80 damage. Accel, by itself, only does 30. (Realize I'm not just writing this to you, Pikk, but others who may not know offhand.) With belt, we're still talking only 50 damage. That means, you still need 20-30 more to KO an Uxie or many SP. Crobat G could help, but in a Luxray build, you'd need to save those PokeTurns for Lux. So, you need to drop PPower and Cherrim (because Buck's kinda interferes with the Cyrus engine). Cherrim interferes with your bench space, so that's not going to work consistently. We're pretty much down to Plus Power, and that's not reusable.

    It's almost like you need something else to be spreading some damage and then bring in Scizor for a few subsequent KOs. Now that I am thinking of it, I'm wondering if it could work with something like Infernape 4. Infernape's basic can spread. His Lv. X can push back the active every turn (which is quite useful in some situations), and he can benefit from Cherrim. He has the free retreat, and you can save the PokeTurns for Crobat. To top it all off, he can also benefit from the DCE in a bit of an unorthodox way by discarding it to Fire Spin to allow for back-to-back Spins.

    The switching won't be as potent as Luxray's, but I see more synergy. You can always play the Reversals on top of Infernape's ability. Intimidating Roar, then see who they bring. If you can Accelerate it, do it. If not, you can Split Bomb the bench, High Jump Kick or Fire Spin the active, or try to Reversal something else. The more you Split Bomb, the more you take away their choices for next Roar.

    Who knows. That's just my off-the-cuff stupid deck idea for the morning.


    This format will utter be dominated by sp at least untill the November set. This is pretty much fact. Nothing beats it now, and nothing will beat it once every other deck gets fucked by the loss of claydol. A common thought by players is to play donphan or champ due to their propensity to at the every least give sp a very hard match up. The problem with this is that every solid SP player especially those playing dialga will 100% for sure at least tech toxitank(if not run a heavier 2-2, or 3-2 line), which fucks both donphan and matchamp harder than Tommy Lee's 10 inch dick fucking pamela anderson.

  • Ed

    So, what you're saying is that if I want to be like Tommy Lee, I'd better run the Toxitank in my SP? What does Tommy think about ERL in LuxChomp?


    Tommy likes ERL but does not consider it staple. But in all honesty if you can make room play it.


    Thats Tommy Lee's 12 inch penis* i dont know why it was edited