History, Death, Rebirth? (or How to Con Your Way Onto a Pokemon Team)

by Ed ~ July 29th, 2010.

We’ve been doing this Wednesday evening Pokemon thing for a while. It usually oscillates between Abdi’s house and mine. Omar and I are always there, and other team members are usually playing, too. Well, last night marked the last time that Omar will attend the weekly meeting. He’s going away to college. When I left, I could see it in him that he was a bit emotional about it. I didn’t shake his hand or give him a hug or anything. My coldness wasn’t entirely related to the fact that Meghan just relentlessly and repeatedly pummeled me with her Shuppet deck. I just didn’t know how to react, I guess.

On my drive home, though, I was kinda depressed. It’s been a good ride, and I feel like it’s coming to an end. I started to reminisce about the past year. When I left, I told Omar to have a good trip and have fun at college. What’s that? That doesn’t mean anything. So, I thought I’d write this, and he (and I) could keep it as an archive of what Team Omar once was.

Maybe years from now one of us can look back on it and find some satisfaction. That’s kinda why the website was started, as a way to log our thoughts and experiences. The website has grown and morphed a lot since then, but I’d still like to put this record up. Maybe you, the Pokemon playing public, will enjoy it. Maybe you’ll ignore it. If nothing else, it can serve as a marker for a new era in Team Omar and TeamOmar.com.

In September 2009, I had this crazy idea. My daughter, Ava, was interested in Pokemon (the videogame and TV show), so I thought that I could show her my old cards. I knew that the shop I used to be a Gym Trainer at had closed, but I remembered this card shop called Dreamers where I used to play Magic and buy singles every once in a while. I looked on their website, and noticed they had Pokemon League on Saturdays. The next Sat, we were driving around, and I suggested that we stop by. Ava was VERY interested, so we started attending league regularly.

In those early days, I was just playing my old Haymaker (Electabuzz and Magmar) deck, and I think I usually had Ava sit with me and learn (or she’d play and I’d sit with her). Quickly, though, I realized that the old (mostly base set) cards didn’t match up well against this new crazy stuff. I took a liking to SP cards, because they were most like my Haymaker. I retooled my new version of Haymaker. Instead of the classic Hitmonchan and Electabuzz, I opted for building around Whiscash 4 and Raichu GL. I built a very MTG looking deck with just about 4 of each card. I knew it, but I didn’t have any other experience to draw from. It wasn’t horrible. It wasn’t good. It was, however, fairly inexpensive. The best part was that it won me some league Uxies.

I needed cards for my creations, so I latched onto Abdi. He had graciously lent me some Whiscash 4 (which I’m now sure he never intended on using EVER). At league, he’d hang around with this Omar kid. They didn’t look anything alike, but they seemed to share cards. Whatever. I just needed my fix. At some point, I was able to con Omar into giving me his email address, and in early November 2009, I started filling up his inbox with ramblings about Wishcash/Raichu decks.

He was gracious. I keep emails. Here’s a quote from Omar. “In my opinion, the Raichu G, Gliscor G, and Wishcash G are all cards that aren’t sufficient enough to
compete in today’s tourneys, not because they are bad cards, but because there aren’t enough combos that run using those cards.” He could have stopped after “sufficient,” but he added the rest of that to make sure I didn’t feel like it was my idea that was bad. It was the cards, of course.

I kept pushing. I was determined to make it work, and now I had him on the line. I realized that Dreamer’s Pokemon league (which is really rather mismanaged, by the way) wasn’t the best place for me to learn and grow. It was for Ava, though. I didn’t want to quit that, but I wanted something more. I thought that maybe Abdi, Omar, and I could get together to practice. Omar had said they had cards I could borrow, and I really wanted to take advantage of that offer.

Over email, my deck was morphing and employing Crobat G and Honchkrow G for bench snipes. The speed engine was now partially inspired by the UR Double Donked deck. In real life, Abdi invited my wife and I to come over and play against him and Omar. At some point, Omar asked me to comment on his deck idea, and that was an interesting experience. I had to Researching Tower pretty much every card in the list and try to come up with valid points to make.

The cities championships rolled around, and I think the second one was at Dreamers. I figured that I ought to go. I was going to be late, so I emailed Omar my decklist. That means I have an archive of it, so I can share it with you.
Honchkrow G - PL

Energy: 4
4 Basic Darkness Energy
Pokemon: 14
2 Honchkrow G (PL) 77
3 Crobat G (PL) 47
4 Uxie (LA) 43
4 Unown R (LA) 77
1 Unown Q (MD) 49
Trainers: 37
4 Poke Drawer + (SF) 89
4 Pokedex Handy 910is (PL) 114
4 PlusPower (PL) 112
4 Poke Blower + (SF) 88
4 Super Scoop Up (MD) 87
4 Quick Ball (MD) 86
3 Great Ball (SF) 85
4 Team Galactic’s Invention G-105 Poké Turn (PL) 118
2 Team Galactic’s Invention G-101 Energy Gain (PL) 116
1 Team Galactic’s Invention G-109 SP Radar (RR) 96
1 Luxury Ball (SF) 86
1 Expert Belt (AR) 87
1 Night Maintenance (MT) 113
Supporters: 4
4 Cyrus’s Conspiracy (PL) 105
Stadiums: 1
1 Miasma Valley (PL) 111

Omar and Abdi acknowledged that they knew me, but we weren’t like close buds or anything. They were the only ones I really knew, so I hung around them when I could, but I was pretty much on my own. As for the tournament, I know that I played Mike Lesky. I think that was the first round. I really had no idea what he was playing. I think later I realized that it was a Gyarados deck. At the time, I contended to Omar that he probably could have won the matchup. I had no idea what key bench Pokemon to target. If I had, I think I could have kept him down better. Who knows. Maybe I had no chance. I remember Mike looking upset. I figured he was unhappy early game, because he might lose to this pile of dung. He won, though. Maybe he just always looks upset. I went 0-3 and won out my last 2 matches against Ellen and Baqi to finish 2-3.

The next cities was at Misty Mountain Games and I was determined to do better. I thought that my turbo Honchkrow deck was a good idea, but if there’s one thing I’ve learned over my years, it’s that other people had a better idea earlier than you did, and there’s a fair chance that one of them got posted to the internet. My Honchkrow deck was partially based on the UR Double Donked deck, so it wasn’t much of a stretch to retool it into URDoubleDonked.dec. That’s what I did, and I played it at Misty.

My first round was against the intimidating Radu. He was playing SP. I won’t get into how UR Double Donked works, but I’ll just say that you NEED to deck yourself on turn 1 to play it right. IIRC, Radu played Call Energy (and maybe Cyrus) on his first turn. On my turn, I played Uxie. Radu used Power Spray. I tried another Uxie. Radu used Power Spray. I tried my 3rd Uxie (yeah, at least I was a bit prepared), and Radu allowed it. There wasn’t really a way for me to recover from 2 Spray, though. After that, I think I had a run of a couple good games. One was actually a double-donk, I believe. Another was when I got paired down and played against Michael, a senior. He wasn’t happy about it, though. I think I ended at 2-2, but since one of the wins was against a senior I effectively had only 1 win and 2 losses that count for Pokemon.com ratings. I think Omar got 2nd after losing to Radu in the final match.

I gained a bit of respect there (even though it was just for my Ash hat), but my big takeway was the utter lack of Junior players. I hatched a new plan to win massive amounts of product by focusing on Ava’s ability to win Juniors. I took my deck and built her a Shuppet donk deck out of it. I tailored it to her ability, and over Christmas time, we really trained a lot. She knew every card just by looking at the artwork. She was only 6 at the time, but I thought she had a real chance.

Let’s back up a step, though. Previous to this, Omar was exchanging emails with me, and I borrowed cards from Abdi. We were acquaintances that played some cards together a few times. They didn’t really need me, but I needed them. They had expertise and cards. I didn’t really have anything to offer, so I needed to come up with a cunning ruse to get them on my team. On December 15th, I sent Omar this text.

So, yeah, I’d like to play with you and Abdi more. To me that’s better than playing Dreamers, except that you don’t get prizes and it’s not great for Ava. It might be cool to try to come up with some sort of schedule to play. “Team Omar” could meet some evening each/every-other week or something. Yeah, you got that right. Go ahead and do a double-take. I just invited myself to join the prestigious Team Omar, and now you can’t cut me from the team without looking like a jerk. Your only option is to disband citing creative differences.

Omar obviously liked the team name. I didn’t know it, but whether they knew it or not, I now believed that they were starved for this weekly interaction. Maybe they did need me, but not for my prowess at the card table. It was for my insistence on bring this all together. They agreed, and a week later I registered teamomar.info as a bit of a joke they might enjoy and as a display of this being something real.

City Championships at Outpost 2000 were coming after Christmas. I didn’t have a deck, because Ava was using most of my cards. Of course, I’m always in email contact with Omar, and he was messing around with a Porygon-Z deck. I didn’t really know much about it, but I learned. It wasn’t the best deck, and that’s why Omar and Abdi didn’t play it. Tre and Louis were introduced to me at this tourney. I heard that they were now part of Team Omar. This wasn’t part of my plan. I wasn’t sure I wanted it to grow. I didn’t know these guys. This was the team that I created. Maybe naming it “Team Omar” had its downsides.

Porygon proved to be much more consistent than previous decks. I finally had a winning record at 3-2. Most of my wins were against (slightly) higher rated players, and my final round loss was to Thomas (IIRC) who was rated quite a bit higher than me. Even after going 7-7 over cities, I was still just a little under 1600 when it was all said and done. Actually this was quite a feat since one of my wins didn’t even count. To be honest, though, I don’t really care about my rating as far as ratings go. It interests me to watch it, but the number doesn’t really matter for anything. In a way, though, that’s the attitude that killed my States run. If you care, here’s Omar’s Cities report from Outpost 2000.

Ava’s bid for the top spot didn’t work out as planned. While she knew all the cards in her Shuppet Donk deck, I think she felt intimidated at times. She doesn’t seem to care whether she wins or loses, and that affects her desire to come up with winning strategies. She knew the deck, and she knew how to play it. I just think she didn’t know what to do in unexpected situations, so she’d just punt. To be honest, though, I didn’t really pay too close attention to her games. I found it very difficult to watch her play and also keep myself from interfering with the Juniors’ games. I know that some Pokedads will hover always watching over the shoulders of the kids. I don’t want to be that guy; plus I had my own games to play.

Somewhere between Cities and States, things clicked for me. I realized that I wasn’t an expert deck builder (not that I actually thought I was), and I couldn’t rely on playing Omar’s third-best deck. This is where Team Omar really started to be a real force, I think. Tre and Louis started showing up for our Wed night meetings, and at some point Charlie and Meghan started getting interested (though not as seriously as Tre & Louis). This added a whole new level of playtesting options, and we all reaped the benefits.

I decided to make a concerted effort to choose and build my States deck. I scoured the forums and crunched the numbers to come up with a list of top decks. I had already worked on an SP deck, and I decided it wasn’t the right choice for me. Knowing this, only one other top-tier deck stood out as fitting my playstyle: Gyarados. I built and tested several teched-out versions of the deck, but none of them felt right. Luckily our States was on the second weekend, so I really read the reports from the first weekend closely (especially any having to do with Gyarados). My main concern was the SP matchup, and I came across one report that really caught my eye. Austino had played Gyarados, and he seemingly had no issues in any of his SP matchups. I got ahold of him, and Austino’s Gyarados made its way to MN States.

If you want detail about the MN State tournament, you can read my MN States report or Michael’s report. Basically, I started at just under. Louis and Tre really cheered me on, and key wins against people like Radu put me in a good spot. As a fun side note, my win against him net me 23.53 points, and I think that I’ve beat him in every tourney that I played Gyarados against him. He’s an excellent player, but I guess he can’t beat Austino’s Gyarados. At the end of Swiss, I had a decision to make. It was a tough call. I wish I could have seen the standings before deciding, but I went with it and dropped. I would have gone into top cuts in 5th place, and I had a very real chance of making top 4 in the state.

I didn’t think about it at the time, but I should have taken my teammates into account more when I made the decision to drop. I know Omar wouldn’t have done it. Being on a team should mean that I sacrifice for them sometimes. I made a decision for me, and they stood behind me. I should have asked them and decided as a team.

This Team Omar thing was obviously paying off in our play, and the website was actually getting some traffic. We changed to .COM instead of .INFO, and Adam at Six Prizes linked to our site. I wrote an article about the (future Nationals winning) Sableye deck, and got a lot of hits on that one (again thanks to Adam).

My wife and I were planning to play in Regionals, but I knew that Omar couldn’t make it. He had Prom. I thought that my wife would like Gyarados, so I set out to find another deck to run. I was really infatuated with the Fulop Jumpluff deck, but I had a tough time convincing others it was any good. Abdi, however, did get hooked on it and ended up playing it for quite some time after that. I really wanted to play Jumpluff, but my wife didn’t like the Gyarados deck. I built her a really solid Shuppet deck, and she got hooked on that. Ava had switched to Scizor/Cherrim before States, so the Shuppet cards were available. That left me with Gyarados or Jumpluff, and I was very comfortable with Gyarados.

Regionals was a fun road trip for my wife, daughter, and I. We made Team Omar shirts that all 3 of us wore. I ended up 5-2 with the Gyarados deck putting me in 17th place (1 place short of the cut) after Swiss. Here’s the report. We all had a great time and drove home after getting interviewed by PokePress.

After regionals, the team really hit things hard. We all got good decks ready for BRs, and rocked them all. Omar played in 3 of the 4 Battle Roads and won each one. I did not lose a single game in Swiss (in all 4 BRs). Well, that’s not entirely true. I lost 2 games in my first BR to teammates. This allowed me to drop and give them an advantage. It paid off, because it got Tre into the top cut. At the only BR that Omar didn’t attend (due to his graduation commencement), I made top 2 and lost to Andy Wieman (his report is here). Check out all the Battle Roads reports if you like.

Anyway, this is getting long. Omar has proven to be an awesome player. I believe he’s the best I’ve played against, and I think that’s saying something. I don’t feel like listing people I’ve played, because it seems like name dropping. Let’s just say that Omar has something over each of them, and the ones that might be better at Pokemon in general are already older than he is. Omar doesn’t make mistakes when he plays. How can you consistently beat that?

So, let’s bring it back to the present. Omar flies off to CA on Tuesday. That’s probably the end of the Wed night Team Omar. Josh is around for a while longer, but he’ll go back to MI soon. Charlie and Meghan are off to college, themselves. Tre and Louis are infatuated with Naruto. I haven’t really even seen those two for the last 3 Wed nights. That leaves Abdi and myself. I’m going to try to keep Abdi in the game, but I feel like it’ll be tough. He’s a busy guy. Who knows. Maybe we can get someone else interested in what we have going. I just feel like it’ll be Abdi and me (and maybe our kids) whenever we can find a time that works for the both of us.

Team Omar as a physical presence seems to be dying off. However, for quite some time now, I’ve felt like TeamOmar.com has been divorced from the people it was meant to represent. The website has become a place where anyone can come to get information and share their thoughts. I’m hoping that more people will join in to write articles and comments. In this way, Team Omar can be reborn as a global team based around a website that just happens to have one of the best Pokemon TCG players as its namesake.

Good luck in CA, Omar. I hope school and life go well, and it’d be really cool if you ended up at my alma mater college. They say it’s the only college where the average starting salary outweighs the cost of an undergrad degree. Keep in touch!

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  • Thanks for sharing Ed, it was really nice to read this. I'm sure Team Omar will keep going. Even if all of you aren't around, you'll still always know you were and are a part of it. :)

  • Pikkdogs

    I think its nice to kind of provide a history of where Team Omar came into being.
    That wishcash 4 thing is funny? seriously?
    Hopefully the team “Team Omar” can be alive with you Abdi and the kids and then be strengthend by online testing, while TeamOmar.com can be a global team with a lot more people writing for the site.
    If theres anyone out there who wants to write for the site let us know, we might have to make some changes, but we would like some more people to write articles for us.
    And also good luck to Omar and Meghan as they go to college! Omar is a relatively new face to Pokemon, but from what I've seen of him we might soon be mentioning him in the same breath as Pooka, Stephen Silvestro, and Jason Kl.

  • Pikkdogs

    This kinda makes me want to add a little bit to Ed's story and tell you my story too, since I have been doing a lot of the posting in the past month or so.

    I first started the game when it first came out. My friend Jerry said that he found a new game to play and said it was fun, and that he would teach me the game if I buy the machamp starter kit. Well he “taught” me the game like David “taught” Goliath how to use a slingshot. I bought some cards but was never serious enough to be any good.
    Then in Feburary 09 I was bored watching tv, and thought that I needed a hobby. I was thinking how my roomate has fun playing Magic, I liked the idea but I never really liked Magic. Then I turned the channel to an old Pokemon movie, and I got the idea to see if the TCG was still popular, it was.
    So I started buying some cards and made a scizor/cherrim deck and an empoleon pt deck. Then I started going on pojo.com and other sites like sixprizes.com to get other ideas. In August of 09 I moved to the Detroit area and started playing with the Michigan players. I was hoping to find someone who lives close to me to play with, but didn't find anyone. I eventually met a great guy named Jonah who has become a good freind, but we never really got together for a huge practice session. Nevertheless, After every tournament I got better and built better decks, I even took top 8 in the state tournament.
    Then one day I checked my email and got a pingback from some guy named Ed. After looking up what “Pingback” meant, I looked at his website and saw that he cited a scizor/cherrim article I wrote on sixprizes.com. So I talked to him about what the best scizor/cherrim build would be, and then gave him my email and then ever since we've been bouncing idea's off each other. He was even nice enough to let me write for his site, even though I wasn't that knowledgeable.
    Then I learned that Ed lived in the Minneapolis area, which is where I spend my summers. So at the start of this summer I played in BRs with Team Omar and started to invade their houses on wednesday nights to play cards and eat their food (Ed's wife makes some legendary garlic bread).

    So thats how I got involved with the game, and with Team Omar.

  • Ed

    Let's hope it works out. I also hope that more external people will feel that this site is meant to be inclusive.

  • Ed

    Compare Whiscash to cards like Donphan Prime and Kingdra Prime, and you'll see that I was way ahead of my time. All 3 of these cards can do 60 on the first turn if you set them up properly.

  • Roman

    Wow this was fun reading. I just started playing Pokemon card game and i would love to get better and make a good deck. If you don't mind me asking for your email so i can email you about deck making cause i still don't have lots of cards and i wanted to ask about what can i do right now as a 1 month Pokemon noobie.

  • Omar_Reyhan

    Wow….thank you very much

  • Ed

    It's nice to see that they have the internet in Cali.

  • Ed

    Well, I would say that you might want to start off reading some past articles here or at http://www.sixprizes.com. What sort of deck are you interested in building? Maybe I can give you a pointer to some articles already written on the topic. When people start out, they have different ideas of what they want. Some people want to start with something easy to play. Others want to start with the cheapest deck that might still have a shot at winning a few matches. Some just want to pony up all their cash and get the best deck.

    Many, though, just start buying packs like crazy and then see what they can build from their new collection. I'd at least stay away from that if you're serious about building a deck. It's not bad for building a collection and for trading, but it's hard for deck construction.

    Let me know what you're thinking about, and I'll get back to you (email or on here) with some ideas.

  • Roman

    Well i am thinking on a water deck of some sort like blastoise and feraligatr prime, or feraligatr prime with suicune and entie legend, or something with the Tyranitar prime and ursaring prime.

  • Roman

    Ok well i am getting some booster packs so i have cards to trade with other people who i can trade with at the league that i go to to help me with my deck. Ok well i made a deck and i want to see if you can help me what i can fix, i have not tried it out on anyone yet but i will against my sister that i thought how to play so i have some one to practice against at home.
    It's a Tyranitar Prime, Ursaring Prime deck
    3-2-3 Tyranitar Prime
    3-3 Ursaring Prime
    3 Chatot
    2 Delibird
    =19 pokemon

    Energy
    4 Double colorless
    4 Special Darkness
    7 Darkness
    =15 energies

    Trainers/Support/Others

    1 Luxury ball
    2 Bubble coat
    3 Energy Returner
    3 Engineer's Adjustments
    1 Fisherman
    2 Pokemon Collector
    2 Expert Belt
    4 Bebe's Search
    2 Pokemon Communication
    3 Super Scoop Up
    3 Rare Candy
    =26 trainer/supporter

  • Ed

    My first thought is that if you're going for a deck like this that is
    all dark, you will probably want to run 4 Sableye (from StormFront). I
    think you could replace the Delibird and 2 Chatot to make the room.

    The other option here (which would take the deck in a slightly different
    direction) would be to run 4 Spiritomb (from Arceus).

    Both of these cards (Sableye/Spiritomb) are fairly popular now, but
    Sableye wasn't a Rare, IIRC. They both have an extremely useful free
    attack, and both can take dark energy to do some damage.

    If you want to be a bit more aggressive, go for Sableye, because it will
    give you the option to donk the opponent in certain situations. If you
    want to go for a more controlling style, Spiritomb will prevent both
    players from playing trainers. That can work against you, though.

    Bubble Coat is a card that looks useful, but isn't that great in reality.

    If you want to get energy back from your discard pile, I'd consider
    Fisherman instead of Energy Returner. Also, it would combo better with
    Sableye. You may even get by with just 1 or 2 of them. In fact, I'd
    even recommend Energy Restore over Returner, but that's just me.

    Rare Candy is a good card, but for you, I may run Broken Time-Space
    (BTS) instead. It's a bit of a tough call, though. BTS is way better
    if you're planning to Super Scoop Up (SSU) your guys. If it were me, I
    might run 4 SSU, 3 BTS, and 3-3-3 TTar.

    But the real choice, in my opinion, is still whether you want to try
    Sableye or Spiritomb.

    I hope that helps.

    Ed

  • Roman

    i will see what i can do thanks so much for help right now i don't have eather sableye or spiritomb so that i can't do that right now same with some other cards u mantioned. So far now i am just doing what i can with what i have till i can trade next time i got to the league witch won't be till August 22. That's right after i will get my box of undaunted so i will have cards to trade to people hehe. Also i am not going to get more booster packs cause i am more into the game not collecting the reason i spend some money is that so i can have cards to trade for my deck and to be able to share cards with my sister so she does not need to spend money on cards as much. I might be able to trade with people after my prerelease of Undaunted on August 15th in Dream Wizards that's my league place. Great place

  • Ed

    Good luck with the deck. People like to trade at prereleases, too.
    Happy trading.

  • Lukas G.

    It is ironic because the first competitive deck I played was UR double donked, I thought it was cool that we both took from that old list sitting in the archives of pokegym. Goodluck to you Omar, we'll miss you in the midwest.

  • Roman

    Think i am going to go with Sableye and i still need to get some other stuff. Also i was going to ask should i run more then 2 expert belts, as well as can i still keep the 3-3 Ursaring Prime in this deck cause i realy like his poke-body and his over all attacks and hp. As my basic only one stage pokemon.

  • Roman

    Also about the energy restore does the card mean that if you have less then 3 energy cards in your discard pile take all of them or u still need to roll to get them. Cause if they do that i will defiantly put them in. So does fisherman i must take 4 from discard pile or i can't take any at all?

  • Ed

    Did you play it in any tourneys? How'd you do with it?

    And I saw a post of yours elsewhere. I may have extra Unown R. I'm not sure, though.

  • Ed

    Q. When I use the Supporter “Fisherman,” can I put less than 4 Basic Energy cards from my discard pile into my hand?
    A. If you have 4 or more Basic Energy cards in the discard pile you must put exactly 4 of them into your hand. But if there are less than 4 Basic Energy cards in the discard pile, you must take them all. (GS:Heart Gold/Soul Silver FAQ; Feb 11, 2010 PUI Rules Team)

    That's from http://compendium.pokegym.net/compendium-lvx.html
    It's a good resource for stuff like this.

  • Ed

    Energy Restore, you have to flip 3 coins. It's the first thing the card says. If you get 2 heads, but only have 1 energy in the discard, you get 1.

  • Ed

    I think I'd run 2 belts. It's a good card, but because of it's drawbacks (the opponent taking an extra prize, and it not being stackable cuz it's a tool), it's hard to justify running more than 2 in all but the most extreme cases.

  • Roman

    Another question is for Tyranitar prime when i use darkness howl if i kill my own pokemon does the other person get's a prize card or does the opponent need to kill my pokemon to get one.

  • Ed

    Pretty much whenever a PKMN of yours gets KO'd, the opponent gets a prize. It doesn't matter why they got KO'd (unless the card says otherwise).

  • Roman

    ok thanks you so much and also if i have a expert belt on tyranitar prime will his darkness howl do 40 damage to all pokemon?

  • Ed

    It only adds to the damage you do to their active. I think it says that,
    but I don't recall the wording offhand.

  • Roman

    Ok with the new Undaunted Set coming out i would really like to make an eevee deck and start researching with the info we already have on new eevee stuff. Can any one help me out were should i start on eevee deck that is a good set up i have a few ideas not sure were to start though. We have espeon with sunlight veil great for bench Pokemon gives all eevees 20hp probably one of the new primes will be the killing eevee for me. Also how many deferent eevee evolutions is smart to have and how many of each? I know i can only have 4 normal eevees. So what is a good number of evolution eevees to have then.

  • Roman

    Also Umbreon with moonlight veil no weakness and free retreat cost.

  • Ed

    To be honest, I can't be of any service on an Eevee deck. Hopefully someone else can.

  • Roman Mayo

    Ok well i have update my deck list tell me what you think about it. Still working on actually getting some of the cards but what ever.
    Pokemon Cards
    4 Sableye (SF 48)
    3 Larvitar (MT 87)
    3 Pupitar (SF 47)
    3 Teddiursa (UL 65)
    3 Ursaring (UL 89)
    3 Tyranitar (UL 88)
    19 Cards

    Trainers, Supporters, Stadiums
    2 Memory Berry (PL 110)
    4 Pokemon Collector (HGSS 97)
    2 Fisherman (HGSS 92)
    3 Broken Time-Space (PL 104)
    4 Engineer's Adjustments (UL 75)
    4 Super Scoop Up (UL 83)
    4 Bebe's Search (RR 89)
    1 Luxury Ball (SF 86)
    2 Expert Belt (AA 87)
    26 Cards

    Energy
    7 Darkness Energy (Basic) (DP 129)
    4 Darkness Energy (Special) (MT 119)
    4 Double Colorless Energy (HGSS 103)
    15 Cards

  • Roman

    Just came back from Prerelease of Undaunted and did well for the first prerelease ever done. 3-1 Got OK cards from booster packs only one prime one. It was allot of fun though. Can't w8t for my box to come this week.

  • Ed

    I don't know if you need 4 Bebe's. That seems a bit high. Also, the Engineer's Adjustments seems high. With Sableye, you shouldn't need 4 of each Supporter.

    If you have so many energy that you can afford to throw a bunch away to Engineer, maybe you have too much energy.

    Pokemon Communication should help you out, too. So, maybe drop a couple Bebe and a couple Engineer and put in 4 Communication. Then you can Collector for some basics and Communication one of them for the evolution you need.

    I would probably try 1 Uxie, too. It'll just help you get out of situations like when someone plays Judge. Speaking of Judge, I might suggest running 1 or 2, yourself.

    I'm guessing that you're using Memory Berry just for the Take Down attack to put damage on Ursaring. I feel like that's not worth it. I'd try some Rainbow Energy if you're real worried about getting that damage on him. It's no harder to draw into than the Mem Berry, and it's still an energy (which can be used as Dark in a pinch).

    So, maybe.
    -2 MemBerry
    -4 Engineer's Adjust
    -2 Fisherman
    -2 Bebe's Search
    -5 Basic Dark Energy
    +4 Rainbow Energy
    +4 Pokemon Communication
    +2 Judge
    +2 Uxie
    +2 Pokemon Rescue
    +1 Palmer's Contribution

    That's my off-the-cuff suggestion for the morning.

  • Roman

    thanks so much i try it out.

  • Roman Mayo

    Also the reason for Memory Berry is that so if i only had one energy on Ursaring Prime i could do 20 damage or if i had damage on him already 80 for only the cost of one energy.

  • Roman Mayo

    Getting my Undaunted Booster Box tomorrow so excited about it my first ever Pokemon booster box some people saying that the cards suck in it all i can say i am so happy that i got it and i don't care what every one says about it. I am going to rock out with the new cards. Going to put my first YouTube video opening it up so my user name is Azmeveth on YouTube not sure if that's how you can find the video faster or not but i will post tomorrow what's the name of the video going to be. Wish me luck with it and hope for some good cards.

  • Roman Mayo

    did not have time to make the video but i got some good cards as usual you got a full legendary set and a half in the entire box witch kinds of suck they might as well put full of each one so u get 4 legendary parts in each box not 3.