HGSS Typhlosion Deck Workshop

by Omar ~ February 3rd, 2010.

Im going to just open with this as our first HGSS deck workshop. In this deck, i want to use his Pokepower to speed up energy, and use Charizard AR To do the tank/damage, and to make this work, i think ninetales HGSS will fit perfectly.

Thats what i will leave it with for now. Ideas GO!

Pokemon: 22
3 Charmander AR
2 Charmeleon
3 Charizard AR
2 Cyndaquil HGSS
1 Quilava HGSS
2 Typhlosion Prime HGSS
3 Vulpix
3 Ninetales
2 Unown G
1 Uxie
Trainers/Supporters: 25
3 Rosie
2 Collector
2 Bebes
3 Pokemon Communicator
4 Candy
4 Poke healer +
2 NM
1 Palmers
2 Warp Point
2 Copycat
Energy: 13
3 Call
10 Fire

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  • Ed

    Yeah, I had seen Ninetails GS and Typhlosion GS as an obvious combo. I think you’ll want the Shiny Vulpix from PL. I just bought one from shop dot strikezoneonline dot com.

    Anywhoo, my main concern here (and you’ll see that this is a very “Ed” concern) is the evolutions. There is a lot of evolving to do here. At least Ninetails is a Stage-1, but Charizard and Typhlosion are both S2. I think that you want multiple Typhlosion, because the ability stacks. I would say the same for Ninetails. In essence, I think you use Ninetails as a Claydol replacement here.

    Another problem I see is your retreat cost. It’s high all around. I’m not sure how you deal with that, except for Warp Point or some such.

    I have to assume that you’d run BTS and maybe Rare Candy. 4 Call Energy seems right, too. Pokemon Communication will let you toss back your useless stages to get the useful ones, so I’m thinking 4 there.

    If you’re discarding and communicating enough, then you want to refill. I would love to see Professor Oak in this deck, but that’s not going to happen, so you’d have to figure out if Uxie, Prof Oak’s New Theory, or Volkner’s Philosophy work best here. I’d guess that some mix of Uxie and Volkner might work well.

    If you’re going to run Vulpix, you might consider running the MT Ninetails that I’ve been using in LuxApe. It’ll get you some weakness kills that you wouldn’t otherwise get in an all-fire deck. Infernape 4/X might also be a consideration, since the X would combo well with Typhlosion, it retreats for free, and it can Roar from the bench.

    Now, if I’ve said anything that you haven’t already considered, I’ll be amazed.

  • Ed

    Yeah, I had seen Ninetails GS and Typhlosion GS as an obvious combo. I think you’ll want the Shiny Vulpix from PL. I just bought one from shop dot strikezoneonline dot com.

    Anywhoo, my main concern here (and you’ll see that this is a very “Ed” concern) is the evolutions. There is a lot of evolving to do here. At least Ninetails is a Stage-1, but Charizard and Typhlosion are both S2. I think that you want multiple Typhlosion, because the ability stacks. I would say the same for Ninetails. In essence, I think you use Ninetails as a Claydol replacement here.

    Another problem I see is your retreat cost. It’s high all around. I’m not sure how you deal with that, except for Warp Point or some such.

    I have to assume that you’d run BTS and maybe Rare Candy. 4 Call Energy seems right, too. Pokemon Communication will let you toss back your useless stages to get the useful ones, so I’m thinking 4 there.

    If you’re discarding and communicating enough, then you want to refill. I would love to see Professor Oak in this deck, but that’s not going to happen, so you’d have to figure out if Uxie, Prof Oak’s New Theory, or Volkner’s Philosophy work best here. I’d guess that some mix of Uxie and Volkner might work well.

    If you’re going to run Vulpix, you might consider running the MT Ninetails that I’ve been using in LuxApe. It’ll get you some weakness kills that you wouldn’t otherwise get in an all-fire deck. Infernape 4/X might also be a consideration, since the X would combo well with Typhlosion, it retreats for free, and it can Roar from the bench.

    Now, if I’ve said anything that you haven’t already considered, I’ll be amazed.

  • Haha, you are very against the evolutions. BTS and candy clear that issue yes, just like in other decks that require a lot of evolving.

    I have yes thought of all those except the infernape 4 addition. The retreat cost isnt a issue since they can all attack and thats pretty adantageous. The infernape 4 is an interesting idea, but instead of adding the SP, i was thinking using the Rapidash from AR that is immune to all effects, including damage, to SP pokemon as a counter to the speed those deck have. Then they have to over extend for KO with uxie X, or they would have to poisen and wait it out. Pretty effective. But i like the Idea.

    Another tech i was thinking was maye Explout SV, to take away the weakenss that is everywhere in this deck.

  • Haha, you are very against the evolutions. BTS and candy clear that issue yes, just like in other decks that require a lot of evolving.

    I have yes thought of all those except the infernape 4 addition. The retreat cost isnt a issue since they can all attack and thats pretty adantageous. The infernape 4 is an interesting idea, but instead of adding the SP, i was thinking using the Rapidash from AR that is immune to all effects, including damage, to SP pokemon as a counter to the speed those deck have. Then they have to over extend for KO with uxie X, or they would have to poisen and wait it out. Pretty effective. But i like the Idea.

    Another tech i was thinking was maye Explout SV, to take away the weakenss that is everywhere in this deck.

  • Ed

    I started working it out, but then real life called. Here’s a start.

    17 Pokemon:
    2 Typhlosion Prime
    2 Quilava GS
    2 Cyndaquil MT
    2 Charizard AR
    2 Charmeleon SW
    3 Charmander AR
    2 Ninetails GS
    2 Vulpix (Shiny) PL

    7 Trainers:
    2 Night Maintenance
    1 Luxury Ball
    4 Poke Communication

    8 Supporters/Stadiums:
    4 Volkner’s Philosophy
    2 Roseanne’s Research
    2 Broken Time-Space

    14 Energy:
    4 Call Energy
    10 Fire Energy

    That comes out to 46 total cards, so grab 14 more tech Pokemon and Trainers and call it good. :P

  • Ed

    I started working it out, but then real life called. Here’s a start.

    17 Pokemon:
    2 Typhlosion Prime
    2 Quilava GS
    2 Cyndaquil MT
    2 Charizard AR
    2 Charmeleon SW
    3 Charmander AR
    2 Ninetails GS
    2 Vulpix (Shiny) PL

    7 Trainers:
    2 Night Maintenance
    1 Luxury Ball
    4 Poke Communication

    8 Supporters/Stadiums:
    4 Volkner’s Philosophy
    2 Roseanne’s Research
    2 Broken Time-Space

    14 Energy:
    4 Call Energy
    10 Fire Energy

    That comes out to 46 total cards, so grab 14 more tech Pokemon and Trainers and call it good. :P

  • Michael(you know, the short on

    Abdi told me about this site at dreamers and I have yet to find where you register but maybe you don’t. He told me he would want Lukas and I to post on this and share ideas, so after reading some stuff, I thought I would go ahead and do that.

    Anyways, as for Charizard/Typhlosion, its the obvious combo lol. I would do this for the pokemon line:

    4-3-4 Charizard
    2-1-2 Typhlosion
    2-2 Ninetails(PT common Vulpix, GS)
    2 unown G
    = 22 pokemon

    And thats it. As for trainers, thats a whole different story, but I bet Omar can figure that one out ;).

    Also, a question. Is there somewhere where you can register? Like, do you need to be registered to post deck workshop things, or just post them like this? Thanks anyways.

  • Michael(you know, the short one?!)

    Abdi told me about this site at dreamers and I have yet to find where you register but maybe you don’t. He told me he would want Lukas and I to post on this and share ideas, so after reading some stuff, I thought I would go ahead and do that.

    Anyways, as for Charizard/Typhlosion, its the obvious combo lol. I would do this for the pokemon line:

    4-3-4 Charizard
    2-1-2 Typhlosion
    2-2 Ninetails(PT common Vulpix, GS)
    2 unown G
    = 22 pokemon

    And thats it. As for trainers, thats a whole different story, but I bet Omar can figure that one out ;).

    Also, a question. Is there somewhere where you can register? Like, do you need to be registered to post deck workshop things, or just post them like this? Thanks anyways.

  • Ed

    Hey Michael.

    As for the registering, don’t worry about it for now. Just comment like you did. If you want to get an email when there is a new article, you can go here.
    http://www.teamomar.info/post_notification_header/

    I can’t believe that you didn’t like my two-of-everything-except-Charmander build.

    I need to have a chat with that Abdi guy, too. Now everyone will know our secrets. Really, though, the decks we post about here are the ones we want people to think we will run. Then, we run the decks that beat the decks that beat these decks. Tricky, eh?

    So, enough of this silliness. Since I don’t have anything constructive to say at the moment, I’m out.

  • Ed

    Hey Michael.

    As for the registering, don’t worry about it for now. Just comment like you did. If you want to get an email when there is a new article, you can go here.
    http://www.teamomar.info/post_notification_header/

    I can’t believe that you didn’t like my two-of-everything-except-Charmander build.

    I need to have a chat with that Abdi guy, too. Now everyone will know our secrets. Really, though, the decks we post about here are the ones we want people to think we will run. Then, we run the decks that beat the decks that beat these decks. Tricky, eh?

    So, enough of this silliness. Since I don’t have anything constructive to say at the moment, I’m out.

  • Michael(you know, the short on

    Sorry about that, he told us that we should join. I was just doing what he said. I mean Lukas and I have exchanged HUNDREDS of deck ideas, and its only us who keep them. We were thinking of cataloging them, which we still may do. I wont tell anyone these deck ideas, I am not a net decker, nor do I like people net decking UNLESS its just a pointless for fun deck, like Rhyperior for example. And I find 2-2-2 lines to be very ineffective. Its 2-1-2. I can understand 1-1-1 for a little more consistency but otherwise its 2-1-2, 3-2-3, or 4-3-4 for me. That way, you aren’t relying on BTS so heavily which can easily be removed from play(or give a certain few pokemon complete immunity), so I would like to skip that part of the equation entirely, unless its more of a n00bish deck, like for beginners. Then, 2-2-2 lines are completely acceptable.

    Michael out.

  • Michael(you know, the short one?!)

    Sorry about that, he told us that we should join. I was just doing what he said. I mean Lukas and I have exchanged HUNDREDS of deck ideas, and its only us who keep them. We were thinking of cataloging them, which we still may do. I wont tell anyone these deck ideas, I am not a net decker, nor do I like people net decking UNLESS its just a pointless for fun deck, like Rhyperior for example. And I find 2-2-2 lines to be very ineffective. Its 2-1-2. I can understand 1-1-1 for a little more consistency but otherwise its 2-1-2, 3-2-3, or 4-3-4 for me. That way, you aren’t relying on BTS so heavily which can easily be removed from play(or give a certain few pokemon complete immunity), so I would like to skip that part of the equation entirely, unless its more of a n00bish deck, like for beginners. Then, 2-2-2 lines are completely acceptable.

    Michael out.

  • You guys are silly. As for the pokemon, after testing it for a while, ive noticed that a 4-3-4 charizard line should be so heavy, it’s overwhelming. I also have a 3-3 ninetales line, because getting 2 of them is crucial/extremely helpful early game.

    Ill update the deck wih cards another time above, im too tired and lazy to do it right now.

  • You guys are silly. As for the pokemon, after testing it for a while, ive noticed that a 4-3-4 charizard line should be so heavy, it’s overwhelming. I also have a 3-3 ninetales line, because getting 2 of them is crucial/extremely helpful early game.

    Ill update the deck wih cards another time above, im too tired and lazy to do it right now.

  • Ed

    Michael:
    If you are going to post here (which is great), you may need to employ one important guideline. Don’t take me too seriously.

    So, please apply this rule to the bit where I was concerned about people knowing our secrets. Also, apply it to the “two-of-everything-except-Charmander build” comment.

    My “two-of-everything” build was actually just because that’s what I threw down on my spreadsheet (yeah, I’m that geeky). I just put a 2 in front of each guy as a placeholder. The Charmander anomaly was just because I figured he’d be a fair starter with “Call For Friends” so I penciled him in as having more than the others just to draw my attention to him when I got back to it.

    If you do have real deck ideas, tourney reports, etc. that you want to write about, then I can make an account for you. That way you could start your own article. I only ask that it be written fairly well (like proper grammar and such). If you do, leave a comment stating that you want an account, and I’ll create one.

    Finally, I think we need to reflect on what we’ve learned here today. I think the moral here is that when you have a deck idea, if you are patient, SixPrizes will eventually post a fairly well-thought-out analysis of a potential version of the deck.
    Case in point: http://www.sixprizes.com/pokemon-card-deck-analysis/roast-reveal-possibility-states-introducing-hgss/

  • Ed

    Michael:
    If you are going to post here (which is great), you may need to employ one important guideline. Don’t take me too seriously.

    So, please apply this rule to the bit where I was concerned about people knowing our secrets. Also, apply it to the “two-of-everything-except-Charmander build” comment.

    My “two-of-everything” build was actually just because that’s what I threw down on my spreadsheet (yeah, I’m that geeky). I just put a 2 in front of each guy as a placeholder. The Charmander anomaly was just because I figured he’d be a fair starter with “Call For Friends” so I penciled him in as having more than the others just to draw my attention to him when I got back to it.

    If you do have real deck ideas, tourney reports, etc. that you want to write about, then I can make an account for you. That way you could start your own article. I only ask that it be written fairly well (like proper grammar and such). If you do, leave a comment stating that you want an account, and I’ll create one.

    Finally, I think we need to reflect on what we’ve learned here today. I think the moral here is that when you have a deck idea, if you are patient, SixPrizes will eventually post a fairly well-thought-out analysis of a potential version of the deck.
    Case in point: http://www.sixprizes.com/pokemon-card-deck-analysis/roast-reveal-possibility-states-introducing-hgss/

  • Ed

    Are we ever going to get a decklist on the main article or what?

    :)

  • Ed

    Are we ever going to get a decklist on the main article or what?

    :)

  • flychamp

    hi, I always battle someone with this deck at the beginning of tournaments and he always gets to candy-up on his first turn and out speeds my machamp due to a coin flip, I can do anything, what should I add to beat it?